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Video: Cable Railing for Decks and the DIYer

01 Sep 2010, Posted by Shawn in Live Work,Video, 26 Comments, Short-URL:http://portlandbuilt.com/29svc

Video: Cable Railing for Decks and the DIYer


The Live/Work Project deck has undergone several different railing designs – early iterations had oversized panels (metal) suspended from cables; later versions included metal posts and stainless cabling. Each system had its pros and cons, but most solutions were either cost-prohibitive or simply too much work for me to take on (I do have a day job). We looked at several “off the shelf” options, and quickly realized anything other than wood posts and pickets would be beyond our budget.

Fortunately, we found a solution that combines the economy/speed of wood posts, with the sleek design and easy maintenance of stainless steel cables. Check it out in the video – it’s an advanced DIY project, but if you have basic carpentry skills, it’s well within reach.

As always, a few thank-yous: Jeremy at Polara Studio for the great video work; Noe and Santos of Bronze construction for the deck framing; and our awesome general contractor, Rory Read, for his coordination of everything.


26 Comments

September 2, 2010 1:16 pm

Portland Built How to Cable Rail Video |POLARA STUDIO

[...] I’ve been working with our good friend Shawn Busse of Kinesis Design and Marketing on doing some video for his Portland Built website. Portland Built is kind of a side project of his that documents the building process for his new diggs, plus showcases some of the most innovative suppliers and techniques being used in Portland. For this video we showed how a cable railing system can be installed quickly and easily with beautiful results. We spent a day at Shawn’s place and shot this with a Canon 5d mark 2 . Take a look and visit the site. [...]

September 4, 2010 8:07 am

Jen Schwab ~ Inspiration Plantation

We are building a green home in Ridgefield, WA, 20 minutes north from portland and i was wondering where you bought your cable rail, you made several suggestions in your video, but wanted to get the actual name of the business you got yours! :)
Thanx!

September 06 2010 10:59 am

Shawn

Hi Jen,

Welcome! I purchase all of my railing supplies at Rigging Products, Inc on Columbia Boulevard (Northeast Portland). They have all sorts of cable-rail supplies, though it helps to know what you are looking for. That said, I found them to be friendly and helpful, even though I didn't know exactly what I was looking for when I first went in.

One thing to note: Rigging Products carries the full like of Feeney Architectural deck railing hardware. This stuff if gorgeous, but also very expensive - you can pay as much as $15 for ONE temination (compared to around $5 for a standard swaged stud). If money is no object, the Feeney stuff is great. If your pocketbook has a bottom, then look at the standard "threaded stud" - it's cheap, and they can prep them for you in house.

Good luck with your new home!

September 6, 2010 6:09 pm

Michelle

Sweet deck boss-man! I like how the cable railing turned out. Great video too, btw ;)

September 24, 2010 11:33 am

Dijon

You are the deck BOSSSSS… cool railings and video!

November 7, 2010 4:55 pm

Bob Pond

Great video. Thanks. Were all of your rail posts 4×4′s? Were the end posts and doubled corner posts also 4x4s? Also, what was the maximum spacing between posts?

November 8, 2010 12:43 am

Shawn

Hey Bob,

All were 4×4′s, though I know some folks use 4×6′s for the end posts. I didn’t find deflection to be much of a problem, however…probably due to the top and bottom rails.

Max spacing I would recommend is 36″. This helps with cable deflecting and maintaining the 4″ space between cables.

Shawn

November 23, 2010 1:55 pm

Jay Flom

Nice video Shawn. A great option to custom cut-to-length assemblies is the Standard Cable Assembly by Feeney. You don’t need exact measurements, don’t need to field-crimp fittings, and can purchase from a Oregon supplier!
See http://www.cablerail.com.
Jay

November 23 2010 14:29 pm

Shawn

Thanks, Jay. I really like the Feeney system (Full disclosure: Jay sent me a sample cable and it looks like a very easy DIY solution). Definitely worth a look if you want a no-hassle way of building a cable railing assembly.

March 18, 2011 3:46 pm

Teri Mire

Wow your video was interesting. I love cable rails no one in louisiana has them or heard of then ugh! We have a deck on a camp on the river and I refuse to use ugly rails lol i want to see the river lol. My husband isn’t very handy soooo i will show him this and we’ll see i feel i could do it now. Thanks.

March 18 2011 17:01 pm

Shawn

Hey Teri,

Thanks!I think the cable rails are a great option, and you can definitely do them at an affordable price - especially if combined with wood-framing. Good luck and let me know if I can help in any other way. You might also look at the Feeney system - it's even easier than finding a rigging supply company.

March 18, 2011 5:19 pm

Kerri

Looks great. I’ve been looking for a good DIY solution. What size cable do you use?

March 18 2011 17:26 pm

Shawn

Hi Kerri! The 1/8" Stainless Cable works well - it's flexible and sturdy. Commercial applications often call for the 3/16", but it's probably overkill for homeowners. Also, the ubiquity of the 1/8" size makes it affordable.

April 26, 2011 8:20 am

Brian

Hey Shawn,
I am doing my deck and just finish the deck boards. So… I will be putting up the post for the railing. I am using 4×6 posts. How far should the post be away from each other to insure a strong system?

April 26 2011 09:38 am

Shawn

Hi Brian,

In my experience, the longer the run, and the greater the number of turns, the closer you need the posts to be. In my project, I found that any distance greater than 3' apart resulted in some degree of cable sag. You can offset this with smaller supports between the posts, but this adds some visual clutter.

Since I'm not an engineer*, I highly recommend doing some additional research on post placement and attachment systems. You might also refer to the Feeney website - they have a fantastic set of resources (albeit somewhat disorganized) that answer your question perfectly. Here's a link to the relevant page: http://www.cablerail.com/standard/framereqs_wood.shtml Let me know how it goes, and send over some photos when you're done. I'll post them on the site.

* Legal disclaimer: I'm REALLY NOT an engineer. The information on this site is intended for sharing of my experience. Before building anything that is designed to support life and limb, consult with folks who know what they're doing.

July 11, 2011 12:57 pm

Wade Norsworthy

where can i get a cabinet jig like the one you use

July 11 2011 15:21 pm

Shawn

Hi Wade,

They're fairly common - do a search for "cabinet shelf pin jig." The one I use is made by Veritas. It's fantastic.

July 22, 2011 5:26 pm

Milan

I love this style of railing. I’ve seen them done indoors as well as outdoors.

August 4, 2011 4:31 am

Vinny Valentino

Appreciate and thanks for sharing the article post..

August 15, 2011 10:20 am

Chris

Hi Shawn,

Great video. Love the look with the top and bottom rails also. I checked with a Marine outfitter here in town and he said that it would be impossible for me to use your threaded stud method since my runs are 42′ long. I mentioned that I would be adding cedar posts every 3 feet, but he still says the weight of the cable would make it impossible to thread thru the holes and tension accordingly. He’s more than willing to work with me and we’ll need to use turnbuckles.

Do you concur? How large is the deck you completed for this project?

Thanks!

August 16 2011 00:40 am

Shawn

Hi Chris,

I tend to agree with your outfitter; those guys have way more experience than me, and I trust their years or work over my weekend efforts.

I will also say that while I did my deck with one cable, it's definitely a stretch (pardon the pun). The cables definitely flex, and would likely fail the 4" ball test used by most inspectors (shhhh, don't tell the city). My run also had several bends, and was less than 42'. So, do yourself a favor: spend a little more money, work with your guy, and get it right. You'll thank yourself for it later.

Good luck!

September 1, 2011 11:26 pm

Mike Horgan

Awesome video… Love cable on white cedar decks we build, but was always pushed towards Feeney by the suppliers around here and very tough to justify to clients the cost. This is a great solution to the problem. Easily done, too.

September 03 2011 22:05 pm

Shawn

Thanks, Mike. If your clients need an economical alternative, this is a great way to go. My only recommendation is to make sure you don't try to have the cables make too many turns.

October 13, 2011 10:50 am

William Fehr

Very informative video. Can I use common aircraft cable instead and use turnbuckles as tensioners?

Thanks, Bill

October 13, 2011 10:52 am

William Fehr

Very nice job. Can I use aircraft cable and ordinary turnbuckles as tensionsers?

October 19, 2011 11:29 am

Joseph Praize

Hi Shawn,

What is the size of the fascia posts for 2nd story 42″ high railings? Did you use cedar or is there any better wood for durability?

Would the composite posts be strong enough for the cable tension?

Thanks for the great video. It was very helpful

Joe Praize

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